[Spellyans] cùsul

[Jon Mills]

Lhuyd writes this item with an <s> not a <z>: Ky&#775;ssyl [50c],
ky&#775;ssy&#775;l [242c],
Pl:  kysylgou [242c]
 Jon

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Hewitt, Stephen"
  To: "Standard Cornish discussion list"
  Subject: Re: [Spellyans] cùsul
  Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 09:25:33 +0100

I know "Cornish isn't Breton", but in Breton (etymological and
interdialectal orthographies) <kusul, kusuliañ>, ("unified" orthography)
<kuzul, kuzuliañ> "advise" is pronounced /'kyzyl, ky'zylja/, with an /y/
vowel in both syllables and a voiced /z/, despite the derivation from
Latin "consilium" or French "conseil". Another word in which such voicing
takes place is (Treger dialect, not generally included in dictionaries)
<kousantiñ> /ku'zãnti/ "accept, agree" < Fr. "consentir". Steve Hewitt

  -----Original Message-----
  From: spellyans-bounces at kernowek.net
  [mailto:spellyans-bounces at kernowek.net]On Behalf Of nicholas williams
  Sent: 02 February 2009 09:18
  To: Standard Cornish discussion list
  Subject: [Spellyans] cùsul

  Michael very kindly bought me a copy of George's Gerlyvrik in
  Lostwithieland I have been examining it with some interest.
  My attention was drawn to the two entrieskusul 'advice' and kusulya
  'advise'.In these two etyma, apparently, the first <u> is to be
  pronounced [u] and the secondis [y]. There is no way of telling that
  the identical graphbears two differing values in both these words.It
  would seem that these two items are further examples in KK of a
  failure toachieve the "phonemic perfection" claimed for the
  orthography.That, however, is a detail.
  More importantly, I notice that the pronunciation given for kusul and
  kusulyahas a voiced sibilant [z] for the <s> in both kusul and
  kusulya. I wonder whether this can really be justified.
  The word is derives from Latin consilium and one wouldexpect the
  reflex of Latin -ns- in Cornish to be [s] rather than [z].The scribes
  of traditional Cornish seemed to believe thatthe segment was
  voiceless. Look at the following examples:
  ADVICECucell a Nice 'the Council of Nicea' SA 65acussyllyow (plural)
  CW 627
  ADVISEcussyllyough PC 1807y cussylyaf RD 569cossyllya CW 670cossyllyas
  CW 771.
  These spellings seem to suggest that the sound was [s] rather than
  [z].
  Neil's orthography writes <cussel>, cf. Cussel an Tavaz. Which closer
  to the pronunciation than KK <kusul>. Dan's dictionary haskusul/cusul
  and kusulya/cusulya for the SWF and in both cases he suggests that
  the medial<s> is to be pronounced [z]. This pronunciation is
  presumably inherited from KK (and UC) and is probably notto be
  recommended. KS writes <cùssul> and <cùsulya> and pronounces bothas
  they are spelt, i.e. with a voiceless [s].
  Nicholas


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