Eddie's just been telling me that when he was learning Welsh he was told that the epenthetic vowel takes on the colouring of the vowel in the stressed syllable. So gafr would be gaf(a)r, ofn would be of(o)n, sicr would be sic(i)r, llyfr would be llyf(y)r. Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/