[Spellyans] "become" with nouns

[Jon Mills]

It is as you say, Nicholas, that the distinction is that BOS is used with
a Nominal Complement and MOS with an Adjectival Complement. At first
glance,"yth oma gyllys leper" (BM 1359)
'I have become a leper'
seems to contradict this. However LEPER was formerly used adjectivally in
English. The OED gives "1483 CAXTON G. de la Tour Fvijb, God was wrothe
with her and made her to become lepre." So perhaps BM1359 would be better
translated 'I have become leprous'.Jon

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "nicholas williams"
  To: "Standard Cornish discussion list"
  Subject: Re: [Spellyans] "become" with nouns
  Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:28:14 +0000

  With all due respect, Jon, I was careful to point out that the
  preterite of bos meant 'become' with NOUN predicates. With adjectives
  one uses mos, as you say, or codha:Ha an huêl a kydhaz skent JCH.
  Fetel vyth dynny means 'how will it be for us?' The use of 'become'
  is the English idiom and hardly relevant.bos cristyan means 'be a
  Christian' or 'be Christian'. I understand it adjectivally. Cf. bos
  marow 'be dead, die'.
  Nicholas

  On 31 Oct 2008, at 09:42, Jon Mills wrote:

    The preterite of BOS may be used to translate 'became' as
    Nicholas' examples show. However if one wants to translate other
    tenses of BECOME, then the other tenses of BOS are required."guel
    yu dis bones cristyan" (BM 939)
    'You had better become a Christian'
    "arluth fetel vyth dynny" (BM 4263)
    'Lord, what will become of us' MOS is also used to translate
    BECOME."yth oma gyllys leper" (BM 1359)
    'I have become a leper'
    "yth egh guyn avel crystel" (BM 1521)
    'you will become as bright as crystal'
    "mur a anneys gyllys on" (BM 2904)
    'We have become greatly troubled'
    "kynth os gyllys feynt ha guan" (BM 3672)
    'Although you have become weak and faint'

    When Nance wrote that BECOME is translated by "mos ha bos" what
    he meant to write was that either MOS or BOS can be used to
    translate BECOME. Thus MOS HA BOS is a ghost multi-word lexeme.Jon

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "nicholas williams"
      To: "Standard Cornish discussion list"
      Subject: [Spellyans] "become" with nouns
      Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:42:57 +0000


      A gothmans da,
      In revived Cornish we have long been used to the Nancean
      device of "mos ha bos". I am not sure where this comes from.
      I can at present find no example in the texts.I suggested
      recently that the preterite of bos might be a better way of
      rendering "become" with noun predicates. 
      This does indeed seem to be the case:
      The herodes y thesa pur wyr worth pylat sor bras y welas ef
      ny gara na boys yn y gowezas zozo Ihesus zy thampnye pylat
      bys pan danvonas yn vrna keskeweza Y A VE ha specyall bras
      'Herod was very angry indeed with Pilate; he neither wished
      to see him or be in his company, until Pilate sent him Jesus
      to condemn him—then they became intimates, and very greatly
      so' PA 110.
      an second person in dryngys du o ymmortall, EFF A VE den
      mortall 'the second person in the Trinity of God was
      immortal, he became a mortal man' TH 15.
      At present I am searching the texts to find further examples.
      In the revived language we could say:
      Den yonk pòr hegar o va hag ev a veu agan cothman 'He was a
      very likeable young man and became our friend'.
      ev a veu is simpler and probably more Cornish than ev êth ha
      bos.
      Nicholas




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