[Spellyans] KK ha'n SWF - pronunciation

[nicholas williams]

Ken has no half-length and no long consonants. These are the sine-qua- 
non of KK.
Without them there is no KK. KK is just a new (non-traditional and non- 
phonemic) spelling .
The differences you mention are marginal. They do not affect his  
pronunciation which is UC.
Ken George speeks Unified Cornish.

Nicholas Williams

On 8 Aug 2008, at 13:57, Penny Squire wrote:

> Nicholas
>
> You said     "... if KK is so good, why does Ken not actually speak  
> it, rather than a rather anglicised Unified?"
>
> I wouldn't actually agree with this. As I have said before,  I don't  
> do linguistics but there is nothing wrong with my hearing.
>
> Although my attendance at Cornish language events is rather hit-and- 
> miss because I spend so much time working away, over the last few  
> years I have  listened to as much live spoken Cornish as possible. I  
> have been to several Cornish Language Weekends, Cornish language  
> church services and the Gorsedd/Gorseth/Gorsedh (!). I have  also  
> have managed to lay my hands on some recordings of people who use  
> KK, UC and LC.
>
> Ken George's spoken Cornish certainly has several differences from  
> that of Unifed users that I have heard. He pronounces <eu> in words  
> like bleujenn where UC users say blejen, for example, and  
> distinguishes the KK <o> and <oe> sounds where they don't because UC  
> only has <o>.  He doesn't pronounce  'res' as if it were English  
> 'raise' (which can't be right, surely, but all UC users say it) .
>
> His <a> doesn't sound right to me, though, here he sounds like the  
> UC users who say it as in English 'far'  (and RP 'father') instead  
> of as in English 'barrow' which is the recommended KK pronunciation..
>
> It may be influence from Breton - his wife is Breton and I believe  
> that they often speak together in Breton.
>
> In contrast, I have somewhere a copy of Rod Lyon and Julia Allard's  
> 'Flows ha Furneth', a collection of humerous pieces. It is very  
> lively and amusing and they speak Cornish very fluently and  
> naturally, but their pronunciation is modern day English with a  
> Cornish accent. Vanessa Beaman's Cornish is RP, but the Cornish  
> heard in the Gorsedd ceremony usually sounds horribly English.
>
> It would be very helpful if those who disagree with the  
> pronunciation of X or Y were to produce some recordings showing how  
> they believe that Cornish should be pronounced. LC users could read  
> Dzhuan Choy an Hor, and MC users could read a couple of hundred  
> words from CW or something. Didn't someone suggest something similar  
> on Cornwall 24 once upon a time?
>
> Perhaps, Nicholas, you and Michael could get the ball rolling with  
> some MC recordings and perhaps Dan could give us his ideas on LC?
>
> It would at least give those of us who are bored with the endless  
> 'I'm right and you are wrong' arguments over arcane linguistic  
> arguments and IPA squiggles a chance to hear what the different  
> ideas sound like in practice.
>
> Penny
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